9 thoughts on “Poker Strategy: Q9hh Flop Bottom Two Pair On A Dynamic Board”

1. First!

2. Check raise on the flop w/ AA – I think THAT is the decision point. I agree, wouldn't bet it 4 way, check call. But if you do bet it, and get such a big check raise – that has to be a buff (club draw) or you are beat. Maybe call once? Just like Bart said, people don't have enough bluffs there, and I doubt someone is triple barreling $2,500 on your first hand. AA 4 way – you have ONE pair.

3. I think Villain should be calling Half of the AA without a club, all JTs not the one with clubs. Hero's range is pretty much 99 here or maybe QQ but you're pretty deep so QQ most likely 3bets pre or raises. K9s, Q9s, all JTs, AcTc, and maybe AsTs. Hero's range should be pretty nutted tbh.

4. I played a very similar hand in a tournament against another pro, slightly less wet board but close to this, and I out-flopped my opponents aces. I check raised flop because suddenly the flop looked better for my weaker pre flop range. He crying-called the flop, I bet smaller on the turn, trying to then keep him in because he is a good pro and I had him on an overpair with few outs not a drawing hand. Also his crying call tell could have been leveling, but I thought it was genuine (Also when I say crying call it was a less obvious tell than what that sounds like, I sensed and saw slight frustration really). Then on the river I still had his aces beat and he quickly folded to my half pot size bet, maybe slightly over half. So I totally agree with Bart when he was talking about a stronger player possibly folding flop, he definitely thought about it, and his call on that flop and the chips he lost in the hand (blinds were super high it was final 6 at the final table) led to his 6th place finish in that WSOP event, so pretty huge decision in retrospect.

5. the reasons casinos offer those kind of straddles is they just wanna get more money in the pot, so more profit for them.

6. i would have bet more on the turn..you are pricing in a lot of stuff with that bet.

7. I think, Hero overplayed his hand and just got lucky to run into the perfect hand, the perfect runout and an opponent, who also overplayed his hand. If we raise the flop for value, it should be, because we intend to stack off and assume, we can do so profitably. And I just dont think, bottom two is nearly strong enough to go for stacks on a board like this.

   Villain can have all the sets as well as top two, so we lose to 11 combos on the flop, and no worse hands should really stack off. Maybe he can make a mistake with AA, but that is only 6 combos, and as Bert say, AA should not bet the flop, so it should not even be in his range. Sure as played and on that particular river the jam is fine, but that is only because, we improved.

8. Kudos to Doc for presenting the hand in a clear manner with all relevant details!

9. I understand that Villain should not bet that flop with red Aces on that board texture in a four way pot…. BUT what if he has black Aces? With backdoor equity, does that change anything? Or is it still a check-call situation.

   Seems to me if checks the flop and it checks through, it's $200 to a turn bet of about $110 with maybe two callers (arguable as we don't know what the other two players have). ~$400-500 in the pot for the river; and he likely faces a bet of $400-500… and doesn't go broke.

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