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In this hand we cold 4 bet aces 350BB deep. The hand plays our normally until we get to the river where our opponent check shoves on us. Bart and the caller discuss whether to fold or call with our pocket aces.
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I would also just check river and was very confused when you said obviously you bet…
I think, the issue here is betting the flop. We dont really want to stack off a single pair 350 BB deep, and with this much action preflop the pot is already huge, plus ranges are typically very tight. In a single raised pot AA is a C-bet for value all day long on this flop, but in a 4-bet pot not really.
Like Bert say, you realistically only get called by AK, KK and JJ, so you are actually only good 50% of the time, when you get action. Which mean per definition its not even really a value bet, or at least its extremely thin. So as crazy as it sound, AA play better here as a bluff catcher than a value bet.
As played I like the river fold. If Hero had called down, I would expect to see KK a lot here, since people often tend to not really know, what to do to get paid, when they flop top set. But still this is not a great outcome. With a hand like this we dont want to stack off, but we also dont want to fold. And the way to avoid this is to play it more for pot control.
A lot of good replies here, but no one says the most important thing. Sure, you are in a tough spot, and sure, people can point out lots of things in the hand that may have been misplayed, or may be indicative of this or that; however, none of that matters anymore. The question here is, played as the hand was, can you afford to fold? Put another way, seeing your pot odds and the obvious skill of your opponent, either way, do you expect to have a negative EV from a call here? A good enough opponent will be bluffing enough here to ensure that you can't exploitatively fold. You are in a bad spot, but after showing weakness, I think you have to call. Now, that said, what everyone here is saying about checking down the river in the first place is correct, but, again, for a reason that isn't explicitly stated (for some reason): Ask yourself, are you going to have better hands here on the river to value bet with. You are certainly going to have KK, but that isn't enough. If you think you'd have JJ here, that might be, but if you think you'd have JJ and an occasional flush, you definitely have to check weaker holdings like AA. On the other hand, if JJ and the flush are very unlikely for you here, you're going to have to value-bet that AA with the plan of calling a shove. It bad, but that is just one of the many downsides of having a narrow 4bet range. If you are predictable, you are exploitable.
He's probably a huge donk and just somehow has a 2
When we check the turn we underrep our hand and then it's a bet call on the river.
jm2c
Sick hand I don't know what bluffs he could have. That's a snap call if he bets the river, but he check/shoves the river. I don't know if he have the guts to do that with AJs and we block that heavily.
Also it would be easier call if hero check flop eland bets turn and river?
Line for me would be check back flop, bet turn, check river
I would have just checked that river … A A is still only one pair, of course you have two pair here, but it seems so likely the other guy has a boat… unless I know the other player is a real fish or crazy then I am going to have to go for the check but I a guess if you run this 10000 times you probably come out a little bit ahead, you must have more than 50 percent equity, however who needs that kind of variance …. and I am saying this because of how deep stacked this is …. SPR whatever, it is still like 1000 more ….
Bart is the worst guy at math…wtf?…never gets the math right, absolutely terrible
Bart -Your voice is very calm and soothing you could be just as at home talking to a group of diapered children as you are with poker players .