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My reader Ajrun needs some advice about bet sizing when he flops the nuts. How would you play this hand?
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you wanted to raise the limpers because —– 1: ton of dead money out there on your unraised button and ——- 2: you are aware of your image and want to put it to good use. both great reasons to try and play your button aggressively , here are the 2 things that are in the way of you succeeding in this particular instance
Alec I really enjoy your stuff. Keep up the great work. I would like to see this hand next week just to see what you have to say but it seems like the perfect opportunity to make a fake triple barrel bluff with the nuts. I think I would lead out with my entire playing range here anyway in position.
now that that is out of the way, this is a GREAT flop to cbet : the early position limpers OFTEN will have limped with 2-2 to 8-8 with those stack sizes. also when you cbet , they will almost instantly rule out the possibility that you have quads
It's partly that it's the nuts, and partly that it's the OBVIOUS nuts. This is one of those rare situations when someone can credibly put you on quads.
Well, you did get some value out of it, and while it would have been a happy thing to stack someone, that was unlikely in any event. If I were sitting in your place I'd probably play it very similarly, but from where I'm sitting now, with the luxury of disinterested analysis, I'd say the flop check was probably a mistake. It's true that you don't want to scare anyone off, but at the same time you look like you're trying not to scare anyone off. A decent c-bet, on the other hand, could be made to look bluffy, and in any event if no one else has a hand they think they can play you're not going to get much value anyway.
A flat call on the turn is clearly better. It's a call that says, "I'm getting way too good a price not to call," which is what you want to project. Let others drive the action as long as they're willing to. You're worried about getting max value, but that's not going to happen anyway unless someone else hits a card that looks good.
There's some great comments in here guys, thank you so much! Everyone should read the comment from +Eatmyvengance – there's a lot to be learned.
Here's his quote:
"It someways this is a difficult hand because when you flop a monster like that and everyone folds it can be really tilting so it puts you off from a proper betting style. Sometimes it's better not to think "Oh god I've flopped the nuts how do I keep others in the pot" but thinking "How would I normally act in this situation" for example you'd be expected to c-bet on the flop and, despite the fact that you think that you're repping big, you'd still probably get called by the 8's+ and maybe even loose players with AJ, especially since you decided to bluff pre-flop I would have just continued that line to attempt to get value. Also don't be afraid of people flodding when you have the nuts, don't let that tilt you, you still get the pot at the end of the day."
I think in most instances preflop villians are going to put you on 10s+ or air. so when the flop hits, it makes it unlikely that you have a jack since the only one you would have would be AJ. i think you could have gotten value from both villains if they had pocket pairs or Ax. pocket pairs would be looking to flop a set and their hand just flopped a boat. Ax will be looking to turn or river the boat with the A. Definitely could get value from both hands by betting the flop, especially if it is a half pot bet. If the early position villain calls, co is getting even better odds to call.
If it is checked to me on the turn I would check to make it seem as though i am giving up, although you maybe missing value here it could be made up on the river.
I would then expect a river bet from one of the two villians which i would raise 2x if it is a decent bet. If it is checked to me it would be a tough call, maybe another half pot bet to induce a call or check raise, or just pot it hoping for a call.
Although there is very little variance here, it may not be such a good time to extract maximum value. Remember, pigs get fat, hogs get slaughtered.
If you think villain has a Q, this is actually a good hand to ship. In small stakes, a lot of people convince themselves that you are pushing them off a chop, and call. The zeebo theorem works – nobody folds a full house. Also, a bigger flop raise, as well as a c-bet is in order. If people just play given the small stakes, fold pre. But if people pay attention to image, I like a squeeze. You need to make it like 2200 though so as not to give them good enough odds.
LMAO, "Although. Life. Is. Good. When. You. Flop. Nuts", that loveing Stephen Hawking voice
2500 pre if you're going to do this.
I cringed hard at the flop. It's not like this is 222 where there's tons of hands that you'd like to see fill up, it's JJJ. It's impossible for any hand in their ranges to put a ton of action in on any turn, so the best way to do it is to bet yourself. You can still get called on this flop by any pocket pair and any Ax.
As you saw in this hand example, you could've easily bet 2500 on the flop, 5000 on turn, 11000 on River and gotten action the whole way from 88.
should of cbet flop why would you check on the buton after raising pre after everyone limps and u check behind flop what range do they put u on any pockets, AK, AQ, AJ, KQ, all u should cbet this flop with when u check it looks like AA or AJ seems a bit sus to make the preflop action then check in position on the dry flop